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Gateway Bride? Free Vacation? I’m not that stupid

Published on April 23rd, 2008 in Tools: Print This Post

You know, I thought that something sounded a little strange when Michaele called me last night and told me that she got a call that we had won a free vacation to the Bahamas. She didn’t have a lot of info, but I figured since they’d called her at work, she might not have had time to talk too long. But what info she could tell me, just sounded a little odd. I should always go with my first instinct.

Like why, if we won, did we have to make a trip to Joplin to pick up the information? Just mail it to us. And she said that if we couldn’t make it this weekend, they’d be back through in three months. What’s that you say? Why do they make rounds? I told Michaele to call them back this morning and ask a few more questions, what she found out seems to have confirmed what I thought.

The reason that we had to go to Joplin was because that was where the presentation was that we had to go to. But we shouldn’t worry, there would be other couples there too. Sounding scammy? It should. Nothing like this comes free, and there isn’t a company on the planet that’s going to be giving away bucket loads of free trips every few months. According to the lady on the phone, we just had to go, listen to a small presentation, have a snack made for us, and answer a quick survey. In reality, it’s a sales pitch for worthless, $2500 cookware. But don’t take my word for it, read this forum thread. But don’t take their word for it, go look at the info at the Consumer Affairs site. This is just another version of the time share sale.

Here’s things as I have dug them up so far. Gateway Brides claims to be the parent company. I asked them straightforward who owns them, and was told no one. This from the lady that I called and talked to (and I might have embellished a little bit and said my profession involved law during the course of conversation). Not true. Actually, they appear to be a shell front of some kind for Royal Prestige (though I can’t confirm that they actually own Gateway Brides, but they’re sure as hell affiliated). The reason I say that is because they appear to be so far removed from the operation that the agent couldn’t answer any questions, deferring to “we just notify the people that they were selected. The presenters can answer your concerns.” Tax value of the trip? No clue. The names of the presenters? Unknown. Will they have a license on file for the drawing? Maybe. Is there any information online she could refer me to? No (a lie).

Bottom line, I should go to the presentation to get my answers. Right, how about no. Though to her credit, she sounded plenty nice, and thoroughly nervous after learning my “profession.” In reality, it appears that the trips are actually real. Even though she didn’t know of a website I could visit, there actually is a Gateway Brides site (or, depending on your locations, duplicate sites like RP Northeast, Inc. which clearly have the exact same origin). A domain that is clearly a direct marketing firm site, but one that also pointed me to V.I.P. Vacations NY. These people are essentially a vacation clearing house that deals cheap vacations to companies that then use them as an incentive. So, in theory, the trips are real. At least they were in 1985, when it looks like the picture above was taken of their president, one Vince Dima. At this point, visions of scenes from Glengarry GlenRoss are dancing in my head. Research on him reveals he’s bought a number of businesses, none of which are really related, like an ISP reseller and an insurance company. Here’s some other info, which seems to indicate that everything is pretty connected to him at the top.

YourNetPlus was originally founded in 1995, and was acquired and incorporated by President and CEO Vince Dima in 2000. Dima’s company, the 21st Century Group, owns a number of other businesses including a $30 million bridal registry business and a national vacation premium business. Taking over YourNetPlus, Dima says, was a way for his company to become involved in the Internet.

Continuing the trail, V.I.P. Vacations NY is connected to the Viva Resorts group. They own a number of resorts in the Dominican Republic and the Bahamas. They aren’t four or five star resorts as was told to us. In fact, the one in the Bahamas scores a poorly represented three stars. As I interpreted it, that particular review was a touch on the side of being a warning to stay away. Roving bees? Unkempt grounds? Exposed wiring? Is this somewhere you’d want to spend a honeymoon? And other info indicates that you might get hit with resort taxes, transportation fees, and surcharges during peak season.

These folks are clever, I’ll give them that. Each dangly appendage of the business seems to maintain an air of plausible deniability about them, and the interconnectedness seems to be set up that if you successfully deal through one part, another one is ready to pick up the loose ends. The presentation at 7:30PM runs about two hours (longer than they say by about double). By the time you’re done, you’re tired and just want to leave and are more susceptible to pressure. They also target engaged couples with the incentive of a “free honeymoon” and use scare tactics to make you afraid that you’ll be killing your future family with your pots and pans. You know what, if my pans will kill my family, at least they’ll die by cast iron deliciousness.

But, what to do? The cynical side of me says to go, and just use my sharp wit and stubbornness to ensure that we leave one free trip heavier, and nothing else. But that same side also says that they clearly know how to deal with people like me, since they have yet to be sued out of existence. I figure they either successfully con stupid people, or they get someone like me chasing my tail trying to beat them for the trip. Regardless, when the dust settles, they’re gone and not out anything for their trouble. I say that, because I can’t actually find a single firm case of someone actually getting the trip. While they might give you the voucher, I suspect they tack on hidden fees (besides paying for your own flight) and try to blackout date you to hell and back until the three year window is up.

So, be informed, and don’t buy in to it for a minute. Know what you’re getting into, and always remember free things seldom are.

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6 comments ↓

#1 Kyle James on 04.24.08 at 7:28 am

Didn’t I see a South Park episode like this?

#2 Michael Fienen on 04.24.08 at 7:41 am

I don’t watch South Park, but I remember the boat episode of The Family Guy.

#3 Rachel on 04.24.08 at 1:56 pm

Awwww disappointing!

#4 Jeremiah on 05.26.08 at 5:47 pm

Lets start from the start shall we. My fiance and I got one of those calls that you mentioned above saying that one of their sister companies gave them our info and they wanted us to come to a semiar about cookware. No lies, no decit, they were strait forward you sit and listen and maybe buy something and you get a few days free hotel stay. So we went. Well my fiance and I enjoy high end cookware as she works at a kitchen gadget and cookware retailer, so we maybe are alittle more educated on the matter than the person who posted the above rant. Their cookware is $5,000+ not $2,500 and believe it or not its a fair price. My fiances aunt had a set she bought from the company that actualy makes it in France and has had it for 20+ years without an issue. That being said we had no intention of buying it as we have copper core All-Clad at home, which is not that expensive but non the less very nice stuff. So we listen to the speak for 2 hours and sat at the table said we didnt want to buy anything got the vacation and left. Now we plan to honeymoon in St. Maarten for 2 free nights, yay us. So I take the time to write this to tell you that the above guy is a nut and admitted to lying in his own post when he called himself a lawyer. Also just a side note, those scare tactics are not scare tactics but facts. Aluminum cookware has been shown to cause Alzheimer’s, non-stick pans are all made with a coating that Dupont which incase you dont know is a paint company, the same company that said lead paint was safe i might add. Oh and they admit that the coating is poisonous and can build up in your system. As far as cast iron goes thats safe if you dont mind the maintaince to prevent rust. I use it myself when i go camping. All that being said just go get yourself a $150.00 set of stainless steel emrilware and rest easy knowing your food is only cantaminated with the cooks hair.

In closing the author of this had a good suggestion, always do your research and dont trust companys to be good on their word. However you shouldnt listen to people who post rants and believe them 100% either.

#5 Jeremiah on 05.26.08 at 5:50 pm

pardon the typo’s and poor gramer. what can i say public education and community college….

#6 Michael Fienen on 05.26.08 at 9:11 pm

@Jeremiah: If things worked out for you, then great! I’m glad it came through for someone, and I wish you and your fiancée a good trip, and the best of luck in marriage. That would make you the first sole, confirmed example of everything being on the up and up that I know of. However, I will stand by my research, at least for the time being, because your success still pales in comparison to the complaints that have been filed by others on the matter. But like I mentioned, don’t take my word for it, go read the pages I linked to that detail example after example of unsatisfactory business practices. I’m not some random, irritated person, just one lending an additional voice to the chorus.

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